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	Comments on: Don&#8217;t Let the &#8220;What Ifs&#8230;&#8221; Keep You From Using Routines-Based Practices!	</title>
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		By: Dana Childress, M.Ed.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana Childress, M.Ed.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-491&quot;&gt;Barbara Tucker&lt;/a&gt;.

What a great suggestion, Barbara! This subtle difference is how you address this is very powerful. It does make it more clear. Thanks for sharing!

I&#039;m wondering what other suggestions you might have for other supervisors who are trying to help their staff get beyond this. Like what questions would you recommend a provider ask to get beyond the family schedule and learn about routines? I really think that, even with the quietest families, it&#039;s all about how we ask the questions and gather the information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-491">Barbara Tucker</a>.</p>
<p>What a great suggestion, Barbara! This subtle difference is how you address this is very powerful. It does make it more clear. Thanks for sharing!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering what other suggestions you might have for other supervisors who are trying to help their staff get beyond this. Like what questions would you recommend a provider ask to get beyond the family schedule and learn about routines? I really think that, even with the quietest families, it&#8217;s all about how we ask the questions and gather the information.		</p>
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		By: Barbara Tucker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 18:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Families do not have routines&quot; is something I have heard even from my own staff. Of course we had the conversation that all families have routines.  It was not until my daughter had her first baby and was talking about the difference between a routine and a schedule that I figured out an easy way to answer &quot; not all families have schedules &quot;.    
&quot;All families have routines, not all families have schedules&quot;. 

People can grasp that idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Families do not have routines&#8221; is something I have heard even from my own staff. Of course we had the conversation that all families have routines.  It was not until my daughter had her first baby and was talking about the difference between a routine and a schedule that I figured out an easy way to answer &#8221; not all families have schedules &#8220;.<br />
&#8220;All families have routines, not all families have schedules&#8221;. </p>
<p>People can grasp that idea.		</p>
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		By: Dana Childress, M.Ed.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dana Childress, M.Ed.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-488&quot;&gt;David Munson&lt;/a&gt;.

This are fantastic strategies! You&#039;re absolutely right, it does take a certain amount of courage and a lot of persistence to help your staff pave a new way. I love the ideas about keeping up the momentum and talking about the new practice at every staff meeting. I think the strategy that could be most challenging is ignoring the resisters - they can have such an impact on a group&#039;s morale. I&#039;ve found that resistance is usually a response to fear - fear of change, of the unknown, of learning something new. Helping them get over their fear and, like you said, see the successes, is key. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!

I also LOVE it that our blog is stimulating discussion among your staff! I&#039;d love to hear more about how you all use the articles for discussions. Let me know if you all come up with any great ideas for topics too! I&#039;m always open to ideas and feedback!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-488">David Munson</a>.</p>
<p>This are fantastic strategies! You&#8217;re absolutely right, it does take a certain amount of courage and a lot of persistence to help your staff pave a new way. I love the ideas about keeping up the momentum and talking about the new practice at every staff meeting. I think the strategy that could be most challenging is ignoring the resisters &#8211; they can have such an impact on a group&#8217;s morale. I&#8217;ve found that resistance is usually a response to fear &#8211; fear of change, of the unknown, of learning something new. Helping them get over their fear and, like you said, see the successes, is key. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!</p>
<p>I also LOVE it that our blog is stimulating discussion among your staff! I&#8217;d love to hear more about how you all use the articles for discussions. Let me know if you all come up with any great ideas for topics too! I&#8217;m always open to ideas and feedback!		</p>
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		By: David Munson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-487&quot;&gt;Dana Childress, M.Ed.&lt;/a&gt;.

Dana, I love your blog and we use one of your featured writings each month at our staff meeting....with discussion and open dialogue. Not all staff members agree with all points but it gives an opportunity to discuss the philosophy and practical application openly.  

It is an interesting question you pose, how supervisors can help their staff with this change.  What follows is simply my opinion as a supervisor who has walked this bumpy road the past 2 years.  

Just as our families are all at different spots with their buy-in and commitment to EI, so are all EI staff members.  A wise supervisor first and foremost needs to understand and absorb the philosophy of Routines-Based Early Intervention. Then there must be an undying commitment to see it through. Dr Winnie Dunn challenged me with this statement a couple years ago: &quot;This requires courageous leadership. Are you up for it? I hope so.&quot; A supervisor needs to be willing/able to commit to riding the horse and carrying the banner.  If the supervisor IS willing to charge forward then my suggestions would be:
* Bring in a quality and knowledgeable national-level trainer with the intent to inspire and motivate all staff.
* Capture the enthusiasm and move with it quickly.
* Work intensively with the &quot;early adopters&quot; and support them in every way possible.
* Support and encourage most of the EI staff....those who will be hesitant and cautious.  They need to watch their early-adopter colleagues, experience a &quot;win&quot; themselves, and see the positive impacts of this evidence-based model.
* Ignore the resisters (assuming this is a small percentage of the staff).
* Discuss it at EVERY staff meeting and at all one-on-one meetings/encounters with staff.
* Be relentless in keeping any momentum moving forward...once the ship is moving don&#039;t allow it to set back down in the water.
* Coach - coach - coach each individual staff member.  Just as we are expecting EI staff to coach families (which is both a science and an art) supervisors need to be adept at demonstrating strong coaching skills with staff. I love Rush and Shelden&#039;s work in coaching (The Early Childhood Coaching Handbook) and a supervisor can easily take their concepts into coaching staff.

To quote Dr Winnie Dunn once again, &quot;Be courageous!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-487">Dana Childress, M.Ed.</a>.</p>
<p>Dana, I love your blog and we use one of your featured writings each month at our staff meeting&#8230;.with discussion and open dialogue. Not all staff members agree with all points but it gives an opportunity to discuss the philosophy and practical application openly.  </p>
<p>It is an interesting question you pose, how supervisors can help their staff with this change.  What follows is simply my opinion as a supervisor who has walked this bumpy road the past 2 years.  </p>
<p>Just as our families are all at different spots with their buy-in and commitment to EI, so are all EI staff members.  A wise supervisor first and foremost needs to understand and absorb the philosophy of Routines-Based Early Intervention. Then there must be an undying commitment to see it through. Dr Winnie Dunn challenged me with this statement a couple years ago: &#8220;This requires courageous leadership. Are you up for it? I hope so.&#8221; A supervisor needs to be willing/able to commit to riding the horse and carrying the banner.  If the supervisor IS willing to charge forward then my suggestions would be:<br />
* Bring in a quality and knowledgeable national-level trainer with the intent to inspire and motivate all staff.<br />
* Capture the enthusiasm and move with it quickly.<br />
* Work intensively with the &#8220;early adopters&#8221; and support them in every way possible.<br />
* Support and encourage most of the EI staff&#8230;.those who will be hesitant and cautious.  They need to watch their early-adopter colleagues, experience a &#8220;win&#8221; themselves, and see the positive impacts of this evidence-based model.<br />
* Ignore the resisters (assuming this is a small percentage of the staff).<br />
* Discuss it at EVERY staff meeting and at all one-on-one meetings/encounters with staff.<br />
* Be relentless in keeping any momentum moving forward&#8230;once the ship is moving don&#8217;t allow it to set back down in the water.<br />
* Coach &#8211; coach &#8211; coach each individual staff member.  Just as we are expecting EI staff to coach families (which is both a science and an art) supervisors need to be adept at demonstrating strong coaching skills with staff. I love Rush and Shelden&#8217;s work in coaching (The Early Childhood Coaching Handbook) and a supervisor can easily take their concepts into coaching staff.</p>
<p>To quote Dr Winnie Dunn once again, &#8220;Be courageous!&#8221;		</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2013 13:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-486&quot;&gt;David Munson&lt;/a&gt;.

SO well said, David! I just love how you write that it&#039;s hard to give up our starring role - that is so true. Many of us went into this field because we were fascinated by early development and love to interact with babies and help them grow. It&#039;s what we knew, so switching gears to work alongside parents rather than in front of them is hard...but so worth it!

What suggestions do you have for supervisors who are trying to help their staff make this change? As I&#039;m sure you know, it can be really challenging to support staff who are at different places along this continuum...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-486">David Munson</a>.</p>
<p>SO well said, David! I just love how you write that it&#8217;s hard to give up our starring role &#8211; that is so true. Many of us went into this field because we were fascinated by early development and love to interact with babies and help them grow. It&#8217;s what we knew, so switching gears to work alongside parents rather than in front of them is hard&#8230;but so worth it!</p>
<p>What suggestions do you have for supervisors who are trying to help their staff make this change? As I&#8217;m sure you know, it can be really challenging to support staff who are at different places along this continuum&#8230;		</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 21:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-485&quot;&gt;Dana Childress, M.Ed.&lt;/a&gt;.

It seems there are two audiences here....the family and the EI colleagues.  If a relationship is nurtured with the family (trust), the presentation is logical, and it is clear that the best interest of the child is at the heart of this practice, most families will go along with it. There is ample evidence of successes with this approach.  I think it&#039;s critical to celebrate the first &quot;win&quot; in a big way, giving a toe-hold for the next win.  

With colleagues, there is a natural resistance to change.  Only babies embrace change (diapers).  Old practices will be given up when there is evidence that the &quot;new way&quot; can be rehearsed in a non-threatening environment, is evidence-based, is logical, and is proven to yield better results than the &quot;old way&quot;.  Think how hard it would have been for Mary Poppins to give up her toy bag and teach the Von Trapp parents how to perform the &quot;magic&quot; many times throughout the entire day! She would have resisted the notion.  After all, what would the  have been called....certainly not &quot;Mary Poppins&quot;. Something like &quot;Von Trapp Family Miracles&quot;.  We are reluctant to give up our starring roles in the old EI movie.  There is glamour and self-satisfaction in being a Mary Poppins. 

If you are the ONLY one making a change it will be lonely for a while.  Once there are two of you ....and then then three you&#039;ll be poised for a friendly takeover!  I have found that peer pressure (with support from the supervisor) works wonders, once there are a few early-adopters who stay true to the process and are enthusiastic about the positive outcomes.

From personal experience traveling this road....it takes guts but the view at the end is gorgeous!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-485">Dana Childress, M.Ed.</a>.</p>
<p>It seems there are two audiences here&#8230;.the family and the EI colleagues.  If a relationship is nurtured with the family (trust), the presentation is logical, and it is clear that the best interest of the child is at the heart of this practice, most families will go along with it. There is ample evidence of successes with this approach.  I think it&#8217;s critical to celebrate the first &#8220;win&#8221; in a big way, giving a toe-hold for the next win.  </p>
<p>With colleagues, there is a natural resistance to change.  Only babies embrace change (diapers).  Old practices will be given up when there is evidence that the &#8220;new way&#8221; can be rehearsed in a non-threatening environment, is evidence-based, is logical, and is proven to yield better results than the &#8220;old way&#8221;.  Think how hard it would have been for Mary Poppins to give up her toy bag and teach the Von Trapp parents how to perform the &#8220;magic&#8221; many times throughout the entire day! She would have resisted the notion.  After all, what would the  have been called&#8230;.certainly not &#8220;Mary Poppins&#8221;. Something like &#8220;Von Trapp Family Miracles&#8221;.  We are reluctant to give up our starring roles in the old EI movie.  There is glamour and self-satisfaction in being a Mary Poppins. </p>
<p>If you are the ONLY one making a change it will be lonely for a while.  Once there are two of you &#8230;.and then then three you&#8217;ll be poised for a friendly takeover!  I have found that peer pressure (with support from the supervisor) works wonders, once there are a few early-adopters who stay true to the process and are enthusiastic about the positive outcomes.</p>
<p>From personal experience traveling this road&#8230;.it takes guts but the view at the end is gorgeous!		</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-484&quot;&gt;Amy Cocorikis&lt;/a&gt;.

This is a popular one, Amy. I&#039;m glad you brought it up! It&#039;s one of the challenges to working as a team. Here are a few ideas:

I&#039;d start by talking with the family about the new practice (before using it) and why it could be useful in helping them help their child. I&#039;d also go ahead and talk about why it might be different from what others are doing. Explain about how best practice is always evolving, about how this is a new practice for the whole team, or about why you think it will be useful and if it is, you&#039;d like to share it with the rest of the team. 

Sometimes a more gradual change in practice is easier for families and colleagues too. Providers might want to try out new practices with new families, rather than completely changing practices with families who are used to an intervention approach. 

If this struggle is confusing families, then maybe it&#039;s time to talk to the supervisor about how to help everyone on the team use best practices. This could be a sign of a training need for the whole team/program.

I also think we need to be able to explain HOW and WHY what we are doing is evidence-based to help families know what EB practices are. We don&#039;t want to make our colleagues &quot;look bad&quot; and would certainly handle this professionally but we also don&#039;t want to hold ourselves back from implementing best practice because of this. It can be a tricky situation, for sure.

I&#039;d love to hear other ideas for this &quot;what if&quot;!

Also, here&#039;s a great resource for the toy bag conundrum that an interventionist could share with the team: 10 Steps to Decrease Toy Bag Dependence http://tactics.fsu.edu/pdf/HandoutPDFs/TaCTICSHandouts/Module3/10step.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-484">Amy Cocorikis</a>.</p>
<p>This is a popular one, Amy. I&#8217;m glad you brought it up! It&#8217;s one of the challenges to working as a team. Here are a few ideas:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d start by talking with the family about the new practice (before using it) and why it could be useful in helping them help their child. I&#8217;d also go ahead and talk about why it might be different from what others are doing. Explain about how best practice is always evolving, about how this is a new practice for the whole team, or about why you think it will be useful and if it is, you&#8217;d like to share it with the rest of the team. </p>
<p>Sometimes a more gradual change in practice is easier for families and colleagues too. Providers might want to try out new practices with new families, rather than completely changing practices with families who are used to an intervention approach. </p>
<p>If this struggle is confusing families, then maybe it&#8217;s time to talk to the supervisor about how to help everyone on the team use best practices. This could be a sign of a training need for the whole team/program.</p>
<p>I also think we need to be able to explain HOW and WHY what we are doing is evidence-based to help families know what EB practices are. We don&#8217;t want to make our colleagues &#8220;look bad&#8221; and would certainly handle this professionally but we also don&#8217;t want to hold ourselves back from implementing best practice because of this. It can be a tricky situation, for sure.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to hear other ideas for this &#8220;what if&#8221;!</p>
<p>Also, here&#8217;s a great resource for the toy bag conundrum that an interventionist could share with the team: 10 Steps to Decrease Toy Bag Dependence <a href="http://tactics.fsu.edu/pdf/HandoutPDFs/TaCTICSHandouts/Module3/10step.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tactics.fsu.edu/pdf/HandoutPDFs/TaCTICSHandouts/Module3/10step.pdf</a>		</p>
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		By: Amy Cocorikis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another &quot;what if&quot; we have experienced is &quot;what if I am the only team member who is trying to implement change in practice&quot;?  Some early interventionists are participating in professional development activities and are then incorporating strategies into their home visits - like using the child and family&#039;s &quot;stuff&quot; rather than bringing the big old toy bag...Not only is this challenging for the home visitor trying out new ideas, but it can be confusing for families who are trying to understand very different approaches to intervention!  Any suggestions to share would be most appreciated!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another &#8220;what if&#8221; we have experienced is &#8220;what if I am the only team member who is trying to implement change in practice&#8221;?  Some early interventionists are participating in professional development activities and are then incorporating strategies into their home visits &#8211; like using the child and family&#8217;s &#8220;stuff&#8221; rather than bringing the big old toy bag&#8230;Not only is this challenging for the home visitor trying out new ideas, but it can be confusing for families who are trying to understand very different approaches to intervention!  Any suggestions to share would be most appreciated!		</p>
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		By: Dana Childress, M.Ed.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-482&quot;&gt;Lee Porridge&lt;/a&gt;.

I love that - joint solution finding! The longer I am in EI, the more I think that it is this joint solution finding that is the real key to making EI work. I&#039;ve read that parents have reported that that is the most important activity of the visit. It&#039;s really the key to meaningful, useful intervention!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.veipd.org/earlyintervention/2013/07/23/dont-let-the-what-ifs-keep-you-from-using-routines-based-practices/#comment-482">Lee Porridge</a>.</p>
<p>I love that &#8211; joint solution finding! The longer I am in EI, the more I think that it is this joint solution finding that is the real key to making EI work. I&#8217;ve read that parents have reported that that is the most important activity of the visit. It&#8217;s really the key to meaningful, useful intervention!		</p>
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		By: Lee Porridge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad you mentioned joint problem solving, which I think Robin McWilliam first attached to what he calls family consultation--making sure the interventions are arrived at by the family and the early interventionist together. Robin sometimes calls this &quot;joint solution finding.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you mentioned joint problem solving, which I think Robin McWilliam first attached to what he calls family consultation&#8211;making sure the interventions are arrived at by the family and the early interventionist together. Robin sometimes calls this &#8220;joint solution finding.&#8221;		</p>
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